Previously, I believed that the parents of 1050811Joan ___ were 2101622Thomas de Dene and 2101623Martha de Shelving. However, researcher Pete Andrews called my attention to 2101622Thomas' inquisitions post mortem, which I had overlooked. 2101622Thomas' two IPM's strongly suggest that he is not 1050811Joan's father (since the IPM explicitly notes 2101622Thomas' daughter Joan as deceased in early childhood, among other incongruences). Nevertheless, because 1050811Joan certainly seems to be related to 2101622Thomas in some manner, and because my older work could prove useful for future research, I've isolated the profile pages that I'd written for 1050811Joan's formerly proposed ancestors into a separate section of my website, starting from the old version of Joan's page onward. You can see a list of those ancestors or a family tree of them.

Key Facts

Parents:	4203244William de Dene 4203245Elizabeth de Gatton
Born:	circa 1318 location unknown
Last known record:	1348 location not specified
Buried:	unknown

Note: I'd like to extend special thanks to researcher Jared Nathan for sharing his work pertaining to 2101622Thomas de Dene.

2101622Thomas de Dene is the son of 4203244William de Dene1,2 and 4203245Elizabeth de Gatton,1 * and was born circa 1318 (He was 21 years old as of 26 December 1340).1

This 1443 deed states that 2101622Thomas was the son and heir of 4203244William de Dene.2

2101622Thomas' father 4203244William had died by 14 May 1341,1 and (apparently after a lawsuit) 2101622Thomas inherited his manors at Throwley, Wormshill, and Boughton Malherbe.1,2 His granddaughter 525405Benedicta later inherited these three manors.3 *

2101622Thomas had married 2101623Martha de Shelving by 27 September 1341.4 †

A 1443 deed mentions that 2101622Thomas owned the Throwley manor as of 1348.2 This is the latest mention of 2101622Thomas I've found among almost-contemporary records.

The last mention of 2101622Thomas I've found.
English translation: "Thomas de Dene in the aforesaid memoranda of the said 22nd year of the aforesaid late King Edward III named, gave to the said late King Edward III his aforesaid relief amongst other things for the same manor of Trulegh" 2

Problem: Resolved Why isn't there an inquisition post mortem of 2101622Thomas' estate? Consider the following excerpt from Kent Archives reference U791/T67, f. 1 front.11 Translated, it reads, "the same Thomas de Dene on the same 13th day of June in the 15th year of the reign of the said late king, abovesaid, brought suit and had due delivery of the said manor of Trulegh out of the hands of the same late king [...]." As you can see, 2101622Thomas successfully sued to have the Throwley manor released. No similar documents have been found for 2101622Thomas' other properties, but he undoubtably sued for their release, too. Since the king no longer owned the land, there would be no reason for an inquisition post mortem.

Footnotes:

*

Before 4203244William, 8406490Hamo de Gatton had owned the manor at Throwley.5 This pattern of inheritance affirms that 4203244William had married 8406490Hamo's daughter, i.e. 4203245Elizabeth (although we also have more explicit evidence of their marriage6) and thus reinforces that 4203245Elizabeth was 2101622Thomas' mother. Also consider that two groups of the descendants of 2101622Thomas' great-great-granddaughter would later claim de Gatton, de Dene, and de Shelving arms.7,8

†

The patent roll cited doesn't explicitly state that she was a de Shelving, but two de Shelving relatives are mentioned in the same entry. The hypothesis that 2101623Martha was a de Shelving is also supported by later heraldic visitations involving 2101622Thomas' descendants.9,10

Sources Cited:

1: Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem and Other Analogous Documents Preserved in the Public Record Office, Volume VIII, Edward III, Part 1 (London, 1935), page 228

2: Kent Archives reference U791/T67, folio 1, front. 2101622Thomas de Dene and Henry de Apuldrefeld are mentioned about halfway down the document very near the right margin. An English translation is available.

3: Kent Archives reference U47/3/T45/14/Z1/15. Cited in: Nathan Murphy, "The Parentage of Joan, Wife of Thomas Town (d. 1422-1424)" (unpublished manuscript as of September 2022). Although I've seen a copy of the original record, I predominantly used a transcription written by a later researcher whose work is in: Kent Archives reference U1823/14/Z1/15, folios 282-289; researcher Jared Nathan provided me with copies of these pages.

4: Calendar of the Patent Rolls Preserved in the Public Record Office: Edward III, A.D. 1340-1343 (London, 1900), page 289

5: Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem [...]: Volume 3, Edward I (London, 1912), page 14

6: Placitorum in Domo Capitulari Westmonasteriensi Asservatorum Abbreviatio [...] (1811), page 318, left column, penultimate paragraph

7: W. Bruce Bannerman, ed., The Visitations of Kent, Taken in the Years 1530-1 and 1574, Part 1 (Publications of the Harleian Society, volume 74, London, 1923), page 29

8: "The Visitation of the County of Kent, Taken in the Year 1619," Archaeologia Cantiana, Volume IV (London, 1861), page 258

9: W. Bruce Bannerman, ed., The Visitations of Kent, Taken in the Years 1530-1 and 1574, Part 1 (Publications of the Harleian Society, volume 74, London, 1923), page 29

10: "The Visitation of the County of Kent, Taken in the Year 1619," Archaeologia Cantiana, Volume IV (London, 1861), page 258

11: Kent Archives reference U791/T67, folio 1, front. An English translation is available.