67251976Geoffrey de Say's entry in The Complete Peerage
G. H. White, ed., The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom Extant, Extinct, or Dormant, 2nd edition, volume XI (1949), pages 465-468

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GEOFFREY DE SAY I, br. and h. male, being 2nd s. of William DE SAY I and Beatrice, was b. probably not later than 1135,(k) and possibly earlier. He appears as witness to a charter of Earl William de Mandeville, br. of Earl Geoffrey, before 1166,(l) and a charter of Henry II, executed at Winchester (1176-81), granting to Earl William de Mandeville all the land [in Normandy] which Robert de Say had
(k)His s. Geoffrey m. after the end of 1175 and before 1180; see text below. Geoffrey de Say I may be the Geoffrey de Say who attested a charter of his uncle Gilbert de Say in 1151 (Round, Cal. Docs., no. 522).
(l)Round, Geoffrey de Manderville, p. 231.

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rightfully given him.(a) In 1184/5 he accounted in respect of disseisins in Kent;(b) and acted as intermediary for Ralph Brito in connection with his account for the issues of the lands of Henry de Essex and of the Honor of Boulogne.(c) On the King’s last return to England in 1188, he was one of the messengers sent forthwith to Canterbury, to demand the instant restoration of services at Christ Church, Canterbury.(d) In 1191 he offered 7000 marks, after an offer of 3000 marks by Geoffrey FitzPiers in the previous year, for the land of Earl William de Mandeville (d. 1189).(e) The heir was Geoffrey’s mother, Beatrice, but being "feeble and full of days"(f) she stood aside in the interest of her son. Geoffrey obtained a grant of the lands and in 1190 put an aid upon them;(g) but he was unable to pay the promised sum,(h) and the lands, and eventually the Earldom, came to Geoffrey FitzPiers as husband of Beatrice, elder da. of William, Geoffrey de Say’s elder br.(i) Geoffrey de Say, however, did not abandon his claim, and in 1212 app. his s. Geoffrey, to whom he transferred his rights, to act as his attorney in the pending suit against Geoffrey FitzPiers for the lands of Earl William.(j) Geoffrey I and Geoffrey FitzPiers were dead by 1214, in which year the claim was heard, after Geoffrey II had offered 15,000 marks to have such seisin of Earl William’s lands as his father had on the day on which King Richard disseised him.(k) Geoffrey de Mandeville defended the proceedings in place of his father. The claim failed,(l) but continued to smoulder until 1283-84, when the matter was settled by fine.(m) In 1193, at the King’s command, he accompanied the Chancellor to Germany,(n) where he appears as a witness to several charters given by the King,(o) with whom he was also in
(a)Round, Cal. Docs., no. 686. Nothing has been found which throws any light on the transaction referred to in the charter.
(b)Pipe Roll, 31 Hen. II, p. 232.
(c)Idem, p. 15. Subsequently he made himself responsible for the payments (Idem, 32 Hen. II, p. 13, to 7 Ric. I, p. 5).
(d)Me. of Ric. I (Rolls Ser.), vol. ii (Epist. Cantuar.), p. 166.
(e)Pipe Roll, 2 Ric. I, p. 111; 3 Ric. I, p. 29.
(f)Dugdale, Mon., vol. iv, p. 139.
(g)Pipe Roll, 2 Ric. I, p. 2.
(h)There is a picturesque story of the negotiations in the foundation-narrative of Walden Abbey (Dugdale, Mon, vol. iv, p. 139). Geoffrey is described as "vir magnus et militaris"; or as "vir in armis strenuus sed in mundanis rebus minus sapiens et incircumspectus" (Ante, vol. v, p. 121, note "b").
(i)Ante, vol. v, pp. 121-24, where the matter is dealt with generally.
(j)Cur. Reg. Rolls, vol. vi, p. 270.
(k)Rot. Lit. Claus., vol. i, p. 168b.
(l)Cur. Reg. Rolls, vol. vii, p. 110.
(m)Essex Fines (Essex Arch. Soc.), vol. ii, p. 41.
(n)Itin Ric. I (P.R.S.), p. 76.
(o)Idem, pp. 80, 81, 84.

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Apr. and May 1194 at Winchester, Bishop’s Waltham and Portsmouth.(a) He was with the King in the army of Normandy in 1194,(b) and witnessed charters of the King at Rouen in 1196(c) or 1197.(d) He was at Lambeth in 1201(e) and at Lisieux in Oct. 1202.(f) In July 1203 he obtained quittance of debts to the Jews of London, with a further quittance so long as he was in the King’s service with arms and horses.(g) In 1204 he had an allowance of one mark for certain expenses in connection with Dover Castle,(h) and on 8 Aug. a mandate issued that he should have 100 marks of silver for the work of the Castle.(i) On 23 Jan. 1205 the King ordered the Constable of Taunton to send a master miner with 40 men to Dover to Geoffrey de Say.(j) In 1191 he paid part of the scutage charged against the heirs of Walkelin Maminot,(k) and in 1194 he was brought in as debtor for the scutage of the heirs “quorum heres est.”(l) From 1194 onwards he was regu- larly amerced for scutage on the Maminot lands.(m) He m., 1stly, Alice, widow of Ralph DE CAHAINES, and da. of Hugh MAMINOT.(n) He m., 2ndly, Alice, da. of Aubrey (DE VERE), 1st EARL OF OXFORD, almost certainly by his 3rd wife Agnes, da. of Henry DE ESSEX.(o) He was alive
(a)Idem, pp. 88, 90, 91, 92.
(b)Pipe Roll, 6 Ric. I, p. 38.
(c)Gall. Christ., vol. xi, Instr. col. 29.
(d)Itin Ric. I, p. 123.
(e)Round, Cal. Docs., no. 1403.
(f)Cart. Mon Rames. (Rolls Ser.), vol. ii, p. 64.
(g)Rot. de Lib., p. 48.
(h)Pipe Roll, 6 John, p. 175.
(i)Rot. Lit. Claus., vol. i, p. 5.
(j)Idem, vol. i, p. 18.
(k)Pipe Roll, 3 Ric. I, p. 146.
(l)Idem, 6 Ric. I, p. 247. In 1200 he had quittance for the amount owing (Memoranda Roll, 1 John, P.R.S., p. 21; Pipe Roll, 2 John, p. 210).
(m)Pipe Rolls from 6 Ric. I to 8 John, passim.
(n)Confirmation of grant in 1168 by Walkelin Maminot to Bermondsey Abbey of the advowson of the church of Birling and of a similar grant by Geoffrey de Say, by "Galfridus de Say filius Galfridi de Say et Alicie de Cheinnei uxoris sue"; followed by confirmation by William de Say, son of Geoffrey, son of Geoffrey (Thorpe, Reg. Roff., p. 169; B.M. MS. Cott. Claud. A viii, f. 116d/169; Dugdale, Mon., vol. v,, p. 89). Grant by Geoffrey de Say son of Alice de Chetnay of land in Edmonton, temp. Ric. I (Cat. Anc. Deeds, no. A2035). After about 1200 the Say barony consisted almost wholly of fees formerly held by Alice's nephew, Walkelin Maminot.
(o)Rot. Hundr., vol. ii, pp. 428, 429; Cat. Anc. Deeds, vol. ii, no. C 2287; Dugdale, Mon., vol. iv, p. 151. Alice was almost certainly the da. of Oxford's 3rd wife, and therefore was b. after, probably some years after, 1163 (see ante, vol. x, p. 205, note "j," and p. 208, note "b," sub Oxford). In 1196-98 Geoffrey s. of William de Say granted to Geoffrey his s. the manor of Rickling (Cat. Anc. Deeds, vol. iii, no. C 3188). Between 10 Aug. 1197 and 8 Mar. 1198 Geoffrey de Say II executed a charter confirming his father’s grant (Idem, vol. ii, no. C 2287), The

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in 1212,(a) but dead in 1214.(b) Alice surv. him and was living in 1214.(c)
confirmation is printed in full in Genealogist, N.S., vol. xxxiv, p. 181, and shows that Geoffrey II had an elder br. William, who was living at or after the birth of Alice de Vere's s. Geoffrey. There seems to be no evidence of the date of William’s death, except that it was before 1 Jan. 1198 (? 1198/9) (Round, Cal. Docs., no. 280). The dates suggest that these grants were made after the death of Beatrice de Mandeville, widow of William de Say I, possibly in fulfilment of an earlier promise to which legal effect could not be given until her s. Geoffrey was in possession of her lands. There was one s. of the marriage, namely, Geoffrey (ancestor of the Says of Rickling, Essex), given by his father in Sep. 1212 as hostage for his faithful service to the King, who sent him to Earl de Warenne (Rot. Lit. Claus., vol. i, p. 124). Geoffrey de Say, described as s. of Geoffrey de Say and of Alice de Ver, made a grant to Walden Abbey as "dominus de Rikelyng," between 1216 and 1226 (Dugdale, Mon., vol. iv, p. 151). This Geoffrey had a da., Maud de Crec, who in 1278 held of the Honor of Richmond in Nosterfield, Cambs, land which Alice de Vere held in free marriage of her br. Robert de Vere some 60 years before (Rot. Hundr., vol. ii, p. 428). This may suggest a date for the death of Alice. 1218 is, of course, not the date of her marriage.
(a)See p. 466, note "j" above.
(b)He d. before May 1214 when the Sheriff of Essex was ordered to give to William de Mares for custody all lands in his bailiwick, with the manor of Rickling, which were of Geoffrey de Say the elder (Rot. Lit. Claus., vol. i, p. 204; Rickling was restored to Geoffrey de Say the younger, Rot. de Obl. et Fin., p. 527).
(c)When she was granted for her maintenance the manor of Edmonton until further arrangements should be made (Rot. Lit. Claus., vol. i, p. 207).